OS Vision 3

[Mec72]

Hi,
first of all, since I haven't said it yet, congratulations on the great work done with COS3, as for the language setting, I had already followed the steps you indicated, but they didn't bring the system into my language.

[Mec72]

Hi,
I tried to check from the terminal with the "locale" command, and the Italian language is not installed, always English, from the procedure indicated above, instead, it confirms that the change to Italian has been performed.
Going around the various menus a bit, I ended up in "MATE ures manager" and here, giving it the Italian language, it worked, upon reboot I had the entire operating system in Italian.
Thanks again for the great work done, and I can't wait to see the next updates.
P.S.: just a quick question, since the keyboard is a bit particular, commodore key, function keys together with the "number" keys, and other particular characteristics of the Commodore keyboard, what is the most correct keyboard to set?

[LeoNigro]

Ah... the Mate user manager. Aka mate-user-admin.
Thanks for that. Glad you got it working.

We had a python app that set this in COS2 and when I moved it to COS3 it crashed the system(like surpringly badly) and I forgot to get a replacement. Rather than writing a new one I'll just send the user directly to the mate-user-admin to change it.
FIXTODODONE Next update. Build 42.

For the C64x I would stick to the keyboard detected.
English (US)

[Mec72]

OK,
now it seems to work "almost everything", there is only one problem with the WI FI BrosTrend AX1800 card, the manufacturer does not provide drivers for linux, so I find myself in the situation that the card works halfway, the Bluethoot part works, while the wifi does not; what can I do?
For now I navigate with a TP-Link USB, but I would like to solve the problem if possible with the one installed on the motherboard in the appropriate slot.
Thanks in advance.
Greetings

[LeoNigro]

I have a really horrible feeling it might(I repeat might) work with a kernel update.
Please note that people reported kernel updates in COS2 were corrupting the OS.
I just tried it in COS3, and it felt like it did on first boot, then on the next reboot it loaded fine.
So I really don't know what to tell you. I'm not even sure it actually did anything.
Try it only if you have nothing to lose.
It is in the Settings Manager under General Settings. (I came really close to removing the functionality just now.)

[NibbleNut]

Sounds good to me Leo. You've more than earned my support. I'm actually hopeful to phase out my Windows laptops and Mac Mini.

[lexi]

Do you see that as a Commodore "vision" worthy of pursuing?

Thanks Leo for working to getting COS3 out. Been using COS2 since I got my C64x a while back and loving that. While I was surprised by the large 37GB distro for COS3 as I am installing it as I type I cannot wait to see what it has in store. Reading your earlier reply, your passion for Commodore really shines and sharing the concept vision behind COS3. Totaly agree we do not need another boring distro and while I am more an Amiga fan from 1987, who had a C64 since 1984, I get it.

I did search the forum posts but couldn't find anyone sharing this but The Register did a piece on COS3
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/06/commodore_os_3/

Commodore OS 3 is the loudest Linux yet!!!

[LeoNigro]

It sure is the loudest Linux ever!!! They definitely got that part right. I did dial everything up to 11.

All in all, not the worst review I've seen. Certainly not the crazed zealotry I've come to expect.
The main issue affecting Commodore OS is that reviewers expectations relating to the Amiga are high, and unfortunately unfeasible at this time.
Why they compare Commodore OS to piMiga out of the blue is beyond me, although I guess it has to do with the size of it.
If my understanding is right, piMiga shares an emulated environment, so they can create x86 and pi launchers that co-exist on a USB stick.
Commodore OS don't have a pi version yet, but we could probably share the retro system folders, for such a dual booting system.

The reviewers want something that recreates the Amiga, and as I've mentioned before, when I was CTO of Commodore USA, my plans along those lines got royally screwed. Such that now, as I don't know the future of Commodore and Amiga licensing for sure, I must keep the OS away from being too Amiga-like and play wait and see.

Back then (and even now) I dared not even have a similar Amiga-like theme, as the Hyperion guys are known to be exceedingly litigious.
MATE is one of the few desktops that even comes close to retaining a similar desktop paradigm to the Amiga.
A top menu bar is as close as I can get to the contextual menu of Workbench.
If I could have centred it I might even have had Commodore OS up in text up there like Workbench. (I could work it out I suppose)
That MATE is one of the few desktops that retains Compiz desktop compositing, is icing on the cake and is retro in its own right.
I'm one of those few that think the desktop peaked with Gnome2 in 2010.

Commodore OS Vision is its own thing now, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.
We'll see if there's anything to be done in future to integrate something more Amiga like.
It would have been fun to reproduce the Amiga window manager though, but even if I did, we all know it would never be deemed close enough.
In the end, I think we'd all rather have AROS's Wanderer or the real Amiga Workbench as the desktop, even if Commodore OS's MATE desktop experience is arguably superior. I think, even if integrated, they would have to co-exist somehow as alternate desktops you can switch between.

I should probably have some pre-configured profiles, to allow people to tone the COS desktop effects down easily.

Why do people keep saying the Orca screen reader is enabled by default? Just because there was some speech?
Am I missing something or is it them?
I've gone some way to allowing you to turn the scripted speech off in the settings, and I will be filling in some of the gaps as time goes.

Commodore OS is far from perfect as far as I'm concerned, and so it is still in beta, waiting to become the OS that both I and absolutely everyone expects and wants.

[Gr1maldi]

What init system does vision 3 use? I may need SystemD to install some packages. Thanks

[LeoNigro]

Commodore OS Vision 2&3 are unofficial MXLinux respins.
MXlinux have a detailed response relating to SystemD usage here and switching between init systems.
https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/

In so far as I am a software developer, I would be leaning towards the Unix philosophy they discuss, that would be philosophically against SystemD, at least as far as it relates to open source. I also very much believe in the KISS approach, which isn't what SystemD is.
Unfortunately, given the proliferation of SystemD distros there are shortcomings in regard to so many components that are now dependent on it.
I have found this especially prevalent in the package management system space, thus your issue.
It could be that a future version of Commodore OS might have to use SystemD out of necessity, as you just have to use whatever works.
However, with my admittedly limited understanding, not being a developer in that space, I think SystemD is a blight on Linux, and in the end will do more harm than good for Linux.